Vir Sanghvi's "sickular" double standards on stark display
Vir Sanghvi put another sickening show of his pseudosecular credentials on brilliant display with his latest editorial. In an earlier editorial, titled very belligerently "None of your business", which is more the language used by squabbling teenagers than what befits a national daily, Sanghvi and his fellow secular thugs, in a no-nonsense belligerent tone, ostensibly defending "artistic expression", showed their middle finger to the extremely upset Hindu community who despite being greatly provoked by pornographic display of their gods and goddesses, took the lawful route and have dragged MF Hussain to court. Apparently Sanghvi and his cohorts have a problem with any kind of action being taken against their pet minority communities no matter what the cause.
Note when it comes to dealing with minority protests, how Sanghvi's views suddenly becomes very nuanced, goes into deep analysis and simply blames the entire country as simply being protesters. When the Christian's display a stinky trait Sanghvi magically transforms it into an quintessentially Indian quality, gone is the belligerent in-your-face tone that was displayed when dealing with the Hindus protesting the Hussain pornography, and instead literally begs and pleads with the Christian community as to why they are being so unreasonable as after all they are a very "liberal" lot, never mind that they are on a virtual rampage in most parts of the country, particularly the North East where the Church actively foments terrorism and arms cachets have been found stocked in Churches. Nevermind that they shove their God down the throat of all unsuspecting pagans and will not acknowledge the possibility of other Gods also being in existence. Anyway I digress... Sanghvi conveniently labels the US and the west "Christian" countries, and that they have viewed The Code without loud protests, nevermind the fact that the film has been made and lapped up by those in the west who in fact do not see themselves as Christians. The same Sanghvi, I am sure, in true "secular" style, will make the US and the West "secular" countries when needed, to buttress his lofty "secular" ideals. If Sanghvi indeed thinks that the west that he would like India to emulate, is Christian, why would he have a problem with a India that is Hindu as he has spewed umpteen times in the past? Inconvenient questions for the "secular" elite I think.
Sanghvi also asks how would Hindus react if such a movie was made about their Gods. The answer to that is Hindu mythology itself is full of stories of a philandering Krishna or a gluttonous Ganesha, so if a similar movie as The Code were to be made, Hindus would happily take it in their stride! In fact its this very realization which makes a MF Hussain go the extent of displaying Hindu Gods pornographically because that is what it would take to get the Hindus provoked! The Code merely gives a more humanistic portrayal of Jesus and that is so supposed to be blasphemous to the Christians! Actually on reason why the book and the movie are popular in the west is that the Catholics are in a state of shock at the the rampant pedophilia in the clergy who are supposed to be the very representatives of Jesus and have slowly started looking beyond the conventional stories fed to them by the clergy. Another reason is Christians are intrigued by the idea of a humanistic portrayal of Jesus and that he might have led a normal life, something which is so inherent in the stories of Hindu gods.
Note when it comes to dealing with minority protests, how Sanghvi's views suddenly becomes very nuanced, goes into deep analysis and simply blames the entire country as simply being protesters. When the Christian's display a stinky trait Sanghvi magically transforms it into an quintessentially Indian quality, gone is the belligerent in-your-face tone that was displayed when dealing with the Hindus protesting the Hussain pornography, and instead literally begs and pleads with the Christian community as to why they are being so unreasonable as after all they are a very "liberal" lot, never mind that they are on a virtual rampage in most parts of the country, particularly the North East where the Church actively foments terrorism and arms cachets have been found stocked in Churches. Nevermind that they shove their God down the throat of all unsuspecting pagans and will not acknowledge the possibility of other Gods also being in existence. Anyway I digress... Sanghvi conveniently labels the US and the west "Christian" countries, and that they have viewed The Code without loud protests, nevermind the fact that the film has been made and lapped up by those in the west who in fact do not see themselves as Christians. The same Sanghvi, I am sure, in true "secular" style, will make the US and the West "secular" countries when needed, to buttress his lofty "secular" ideals. If Sanghvi indeed thinks that the west that he would like India to emulate, is Christian, why would he have a problem with a India that is Hindu as he has spewed umpteen times in the past? Inconvenient questions for the "secular" elite I think.
Sanghvi also asks how would Hindus react if such a movie was made about their Gods. The answer to that is Hindu mythology itself is full of stories of a philandering Krishna or a gluttonous Ganesha, so if a similar movie as The Code were to be made, Hindus would happily take it in their stride! In fact its this very realization which makes a MF Hussain go the extent of displaying Hindu Gods pornographically because that is what it would take to get the Hindus provoked! The Code merely gives a more humanistic portrayal of Jesus and that is so supposed to be blasphemous to the Christians! Actually on reason why the book and the movie are popular in the west is that the Catholics are in a state of shock at the the rampant pedophilia in the clergy who are supposed to be the very representatives of Jesus and have slowly started looking beyond the conventional stories fed to them by the clergy. Another reason is Christians are intrigued by the idea of a humanistic portrayal of Jesus and that he might have led a normal life, something which is so inherent in the stories of Hindu gods.
posted by spindianmedia at 7:25 PM
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What rubbish is this?
"The answer to that is Hindu mythology itself is full of stories of a philandering Krishna or a gluttonous Ganesha, so if a similar movie as The Code were to be made, Hindus would happily take it in their stride!"
You wanna bet? Make one movie showing rama used to sleep around. Or had a second wife. The maker would be murdered if he shows his face anywhere.
Let's be clear about one thing. I am a Christian - and we christians are wimps when it comes to protesting. Not one man dead, what kind of protesting is that?! You guys are pros - you kill in thousands for perceived insults. You think MF Husain can show his face in Gujarat on a pubic street? I am sure you will be one of the first to talk about how Hndus finally lost it and gave vent to their hurt by killing him. Same for Islam. They blast your butt out the window. Christians! Hah. Who are you to say that Code is only a more human version of Jesus?
I shall say it, I am christian and know enough about Jesus. darling, you talk about Rama or some other character. I am for the Code despite its attack on Christianity. I am also for Husains nude pix - whether it hurts you sensitive innocent Hindus or not. I am also for cartoons of the prophet.
Another right wing wimp with no clue about his own people!! Make a Hindu da Vinci Code movie in India dear, and your own mother cut your dick off. And say Ram Ram. We Christians, we take out a nice morcha!!
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Dude first of all you miss the central theme of my blog which is Sanghvi's double standards in dealing with artistic expression when it concerns Hindus versus the Christians. Coming to your fringe arguments, Dancewithshadows liberal "christian" dude, enough said about the wimpishness of Christians. A culture that has waged war and commited genocide of pagans for centuries and is currently actively pushing it down the throat of gullible folk in the thirld world, is no wimpy culture. Dude aren't you able to comprehend the fundamental difference between a porno display and a cartoon as in the case of the muhammad cartoons, or between a porno display and a jesus who simply looks more human? Would even the west tolerate a porno movie starring jesus especially if it was made by a person from culture which has actively waged war against it for centuries? Why did Husain withdraw his movie Meenaxi the tale of three cities in a jiffy over the protests of his fellow Islamic goons? And that too what offended the Islamic mullahs was that the prophet cannot be mentioned in song form! Hahaha! Why doesnt Mofo Husaindisplay the same sensitivity when it comes to Hindu sentiments after they have treated him like royalty all these years? And Great Christian tolerance is allowing a Jesus who looks more like a real person! Hah! Dude like I emphasized before this is inherent in Hindu scriptures, hence you right wing semites have to resort to porn to provoke. Kapisch?
...Coming to your fringe arguments,
Dude, forget the fringe bit. Lets get there later.
..enough said about the wimpishness of Christians.
Precisely. We christians had squeezed the jackshit out of many in the past. Ask us, and we will say were were crap. Murderers and rapists. In other words, exactly what your bunch are now. With some luck, in a century, your descendants will talk like me. For now, go kill.
...Dude aren't you able to comprehend the fundamental difference between a porno display and a cartoon as in the case of the muhammad cartoons, or between a porno display and a jesus who simply looks more human?
Hold on chief. Either hindus decide whats offensive for them, christians decide what is ofensive for them, and muslims decide whats offensive for them. You don't. You don't call anything simple. The ones at the other end do. So hindus decide whether husain offends them, muslims decide what offends and we christians decide what offends them. All nice and happy? So you got no business to say what should offend who or what should be simple. But the truth is, i dont believe in that. For me, all shit is the same, yours or mine.
...Would even the west tolerate a porno movie starring jesus especially if it was made by a person from culture which has actively waged war against it for centuries?
Hoy, I am an Indian christian. Fuck the west. If they cant tolerate it, so what? Doesn't make them right. I say bring in the porn featuring Rama and Mary Magdalene. Subsitute religious figuresas you please.
... Why did Husain withdraw his movie Meenaxi the tale of three cities in a jiffy over the protests of his fellow Islamic goons?
Because they would blow his ass off! Isnt that obvious? And because no one was watching it anyway.
...And that too what offended the Islamic mullahs was that the prophet cannot be mentioned in song form! Hahaha!
Like i said, they say whats offensive for them, as you say how Husain offends you. Hahaha!
... Why doesnt Mofo Husain display the same sensitivity when it comes to Hindu sentiments after they have treated him like royalty all these years?
How do I know jackshit? He is 90 plus, senile and raving mad. By the way, he has also learnt Sanskrit and live din Varanasi to learn it. Have you? Hahaha!
... And Great Christian tolerance is allowing a Jesus who looks more like a real person! Hah!
I can say, thats a Hindus point of view. How you get offended by stuff about hinduism is not for me to judge, and how I get offended by Code is not for you to judge. Kapisch?
In the end, dude, I am in India and probably you are too. We dislike something, your arse is safe in its current location. If you dislike something, on the other hand, our christian babies orbit some crazed Hindus. And if Muslims dislike something, they RDX your joint family. We, Indian christians promise will never kill anyone for a movie, however crappy it is. Ee only take out a morcha, and very rarely come comment on a jerk's blog post. Kapish?!
>>Precisely. We christians had squeezed the jackshit out of many in the past. Ask us, and we will say were were crap. Murderers and rapists.
You still are murderers and rapists and also recently revealed something you has been happening all along -- pedophiles. It has not changed a bit. Take a look at the terror your pet pedophilic priests monger in NE India. Take a look a the Christian war waged in Iraq by your born again white mullah Bush. My only request is just leave us out while you go hunting for the next little kid to molest. Hopefully your marauding hordes will catch up civilazationally with the Hindus in the next couple of thousand years.
>>Hold on chief. Either hindus decide whats offensive for them, christians decide what is ofensive for them, and muslims decide whats offensive for them. You don't. You don't call anything simple. The ones at the other end do. So hindus decide whether husain offends them, muslims decide what offends and we christians decide what offends them.
Dude do you realize you are massively contradicting yourself, weaving yourself into a web that you yourself cannot get out of? You say that its upto each community to decide what offends them and then proceed to say I have no right to say what I want. I am speaking as part of the Hindu community. Comprende??
>>Hoy, I am an Indian christian. Fuck the west. If they cant tolerate it, so what? Doesn't make them right. I say bring in the porn featuring Rama and Mary Magdalene. Subsitute religious figuresas you please.
Didnt you just say that its upto each community to decide and hence I dont have a right to say what others dont like or not. But extra special liberal that you are, you somehow have the special right to bring in the porn if you so wanted? Dude have you had even a basic understanding of logic or does the spinning come so naturally that it overwhelms you? Dude "liberal" Christist that you are feel free to make a porno (or more appropriately pedophilic?) movie featuring your favorite Biblical characters. But I am telling you strongly leave my culture out of it. If you and your ilk dare to make such a movie out of my cherished characters, you will get the appropriate response that you soundly deserve. You have completely put your double standards on nude display.
>>Why did Husain withdraw his movie Meenaxi the tale of three cities in a jiffy over the protests of his fellow Islamic goons?
Because they would blow his ass off! Isnt that obvious? And because no one was watching it anyway.
Ahhh...our views are quite nuanced ande balanced when cornered hmmm.....
>>How do I know jackshit? He is 90 plus, senile and raving mad. By the way, he has also learnt Sanskrit and live din Varanasi to learn it. Have you? Hahaha!
Dude if you dont know jackshit what are you commenting on? Dude I learnt Sanskrit without going to Varanasi. Hahahaha! I also speak fluent English, so it gives me the right to paint your Jesus fornicating right?
>>I can say, thats a Hindus point of view. How you get offended by stuff about hinduism is not for me to judge, and how I get offended by Code is not for you to judge. Kapisch?
So for all your professed "liberalism", the code does upset you....hmmmmm...you are nothing but a pretentious wannabe arent you?
>>In the end, dude, I am in India and probably you are too. We dislike something, your arse is safe in its current location. If you dislike something, on the other hand, our christian babies orbit some crazed Hindus. And if Muslims dislike something, they RDX your joint family. We, Indian christians promise will never kill anyone for a movie, however crappy it is. Ee only take out a morcha, and very rarely come comment on a jerk's blog post. Kapish?!
Do us Hindus, who are civilizationally light years ahead of you desert cults, a big favor. Stop your fellow "peaceful" pedophilic butcherers from shoving their unwanted God down the throat of poor gullible people. Stop the Christian terror and butchery of Hindus in North East India going on right now.
Good work !
Boss, you have never debated in your life before?
>>Hold on chief. Either hindus decide whats offensive for them, christians decide what is ofensive for them, and muslims decide whats offensive for them. You don't. You don't call anything simple. The ones at the other end do. So hindus decide whether husain offends them, muslims decide what offends and we christians decide what offends them.
I am proposing one standard means of assessing a situation, or another if you like. Take your pic. Once its suggested, I took mine. You havent taken yours.
>> pedophiles.
Chief, we coud be brilliant at that, but as you outnumber us massively, everytime we fart, a thousand of you molest another thousand kinds of your own kind.
>>But I am telling you strongly leave my culture out of it.
Hah. Finally. This is what I was waiting for. You have taken your stand. As I said earlier, I have taken mine too, as all religions, yours or mine, should be offended. But if you are happy to take offense as you just said, then please apply the same standards to all religions. Nobody offends anyone. And you dont mention Code, and i dont mention Husain.
In case all this is too confusing let me say this again. You have taken the stand of no offense to Hndus from outsiders. I agree as long as equality is maintained, and have taken the same stand for convenience sake. (Like, you might you know have me on a sword otherwise). So we all decide not to do anything that offends someone else. So no Husain, no Code. I cant get what I want - whcih is Code and Husain, but this will do.
>>> hhh...our views are quite nuanced ande balanced when cornered hmmm.....
Cornered? I am no fan of Muslims or Hindus dude, or christians for that matter. In fact, you would find me brilliant company. I can anyday tolerate a rightie, lefties cant even be talked to.
>>>so it gives me the right to paint your Jesus fornicating right?
Boss, by your standards which you have explained above, none of us have any rights to offend others, and the 'receiver' of the suggested offense decides what is offensive. Fine. By my standards, we can all offend everyone, and you have EVERY RIGHT to do anything you want with Jesus. (you getting it dude? Should I explain further?)
>>>> So for all your professed "liberalism", the code does upset you....hmmmmm...you are nothing but a pretentious wannabe arent you?
Thanks for that. I have heard this before. I can support stuff I dislike. Becaue its your freedom. My dislike has no relevance because it gos against freedom of expression, whcih is more important than my dislike. I shall support your right to offend me, thats more important than any dislike I have. (as long as I have the same rights, and if i dont, lets all go gandhian and not offend each other.. not my first choice though)
>>> Do us Hindus, who are civilizationally light years ahead of you desert cults,
Civilizationally 'were' ahead. No you are just Muslim Hindus. You talk like them, you walk like them, hell, you talk like we christians did a few years back.. Your super hindiusm is dead dude, now you are just fatwapremis.
North east - I have seen only what you righties tell me, and frankly dont know enough to talk about what goes on there. So shall hold comment on that for now.
Dude, in the end, it was great fun talking to you. I hope you try to understand a bit more about christians - you have any christian friends?
My point still remains - that Code will come to India because Christians wont riot/ kill / blast a bomb if you do. If we were the type, you and your friendly Muslims would never permit a Code in India. Promise a riot, and get a ban. Simple. We still don't do riots and bloodshed. Despite our past.
>>Boss, you have never debated in your life before?
I have Debaters like you for supper. Errr...Mr Debater, the central theme of my blog was that Sanghvi and the Hindustan Times, does not apply equal standards to Hindus, Muslims and Christians when it comes to "artistic freedom". Do you still have not got that fundamental fact? Your posts reveal that you essentially agree with me but would like to continue to spin and muddle issues. Given that you come from a semitic faith this is par for the course. I shouldn't have expected better.
>>Hold on chief. Either hindus decide whats offensive for them, christians decide what is ofensive for them, and muslims decide whats offensive for them. You don't. You don't call anything simple. The ones at the other end do. So hindus decide whether husain offends them, muslims decide what offends and we christians decide what offends them.
I am proposing one standard means of assessing a situation, or another if you like. Take your pic. Once its suggested, I took mine. You havent taken yours.
Dude you are a standard bearer for nada, zip, zilch. I set the standard for myself and my way of life, get it? We can tolerate a whole lot, far more than your genocidal desert cults can, but when it comes to porno abuse of our cherished symbols, watch out, you will get a bloody nose. My community is not the one which claims that there is only one true God and poking fun at all others. You monotheistic "my way or the high way" cults are the root cause of violence in the world over the last couple of thousand years and around the world even today.
>> pedophiles.
>>Chief, we coud be brilliant at that, but as you outnumber us massively, everytime we fart, a thousand of you molest another thousand kinds of your own kind.
You sound more like an 8 year old kid, just shouting you too, you too! Dude there is massive evidence for pedophilia around the world in Christian clergy, the settlements in the US are running into billions of dollars. There is none for Hindus.
>>But I am telling you strongly leave my culture out of it.
Hah. Finally. This is what I was waiting for. You have taken your stand. As I said earlier, I have taken mine too, as all religions, yours or mine, should be offended. But if you are happy to take offense as you just said, then please apply the same standards to all religions. Nobody offends anyone. And you dont mention Code, and i dont mention Husain.
Dude do you not comprehend basic English? My central theme was HT is adopting double standards. Instead you run off on a tangent and pose like some maha standards enforcer!
>>> hhh...our views are quite nuanced ande balanced when cornered hmmm.....Cornered? I am no fan of Muslims or Hindus dude, or christians for that matter. In fact, you would find me brilliant company. I can anyday tolerate a rightie, lefties cant even be talked to.
I am a Hindu and no lefty or righty. By nature all Hindus are extremely liberal, the basic distinguishing feature being that Hindus accept that there can be "another way". I believe in some universal truths and will not force my god down the throat of starving, gullible folk. Nothing could be more evil than saying "you believe in my God and I will feed you", there is something to be said about the Christian cult that does that to the very Hindus who have treated them with respect for hundreds of years. Totally missing from the Hindu history are the stories of genocide, rape and plunder that adorn Islam and the Christists. "Left" and "Right" are mere labels invented by the west and loses its relevance when transposed to other cultures. The issues are not the same.
>>Civilizationally 'were' ahead. No you are just Muslim Hindus. You talk like them, you walk like them, hell, you talk like we christians did a few years back.. Your super hindiusm is dead dude, now you are just fatwapremis.
Ahead? Christists have destroyed civilizations the world over. Europe managed to extricate itself from the its deathly embrace and hence somewhat progressed. Christianity is not even a civilization, its merely a violent cult. If we had even an iota of Islam or the Christists in us, we would not be publishing blogs, the likes of Sanghvi would have been history a while back.
>>North east - I have seen only what you righties tell me, and frankly dont know enough to talk about what goes on there. So shall hold comment on that for now.
Check out www.stephen-knapp.com/christian_terrorism_in_northeast_india.htm
Although our pseudosecular press blanks it out, in order to keep restive "minorities" like you happy, there have been numerous reports in the BBC about the Church hoarding arms in NE. The world thinks terror is only Islamic, Chrstists are equally if not more violent.
>>Dude, in the end, it was great fun talking to you. I hope you try to understand a bit more about christians - you have any christian friends?
I live in a Christian country dude, the United States. I have seen enough and more of Christianity including in the Bible belt here trust me. Anyway it was good talking to you too.
>>My point still remains - that Code will come to India because Christians wont riot/ kill / blast a bomb if you do. If we were the type, you and your friendly Muslims would never permit a Code in India. Promise a riot, and get a ban. Simple. We still don't do riots and bloodshed. Despite our past.
Mark my words The Code if its released in India will be a highly edited one.
No edits - but a disclaimer. So you were wrong about the edits.
From my side, I say the disclaimer too is stupid.
In the end, what Hindus think about christianity should be irrelevant to christians. And if Christianity needs a disclaimer, better convert and become Hindus!
I saw The Code over the weekend and say hmmm... This is all it takes to get these Christists up in arms! And Sanghvi considers them to be a liberal lot! Liberalism Mr Sanghvi does not realise is not about wearing a tie or smoking a pipe. But then Sanghvi is a brainwashed Macaulay putra, he thinks its necessary to rubbish his roots to come across as a liberal. Is it any wonder that a babysitter Catholic runs the country.
The Code in fact has taken great pains to make sure that the Christian fundoos do not get all worked up.
And DWS, did you see the great pains to which our UPA govt took to make sure that gentle Christians would not be offended, what with personal screenings for the reverends approval? Has any anti-Hindu movie been granted such privileges? Also have you seen the news that the Nagaland govt (remember the Christian terror I told you about) has banned its screenings? Check out http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/5009778.stm
The BBC usually does a good job of pointing the Christian terror in NE India. Also The Code needs to be dubbed in Indian languages. That ought to get the Christian mullahs all worked up.
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